Via this thread.

In case you wanted to know.


Minimum Tick
APS rate
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5.0001 72
4.2858 60
3.7501 52
3.3334 45
3.0001 40
2.7273 36
2.5001 33
2.3077 30
2.1429 28
2.0001 26
1.8751 24
1.7648 23
1.6667 22
1.5790 20
1.5001 19

This list can help to decide if the enchantress or scoundrel will add more to your perma-freeze ability.

Thanks @khan!

is 5aps just a theoretical number? Can you actually achieve 5aps?
i wish i was at 2.5... i'm at like 1.8 right now... need some lacuni and witching hour

@euggie You know I'm not sure. I think its possible with max IAS items, slow time, and IAS shrine.

Posted by Khan at 11/14/2012 07:50 PM

@euggie You know I'm not sure. I think its possible with max IAS items, slow time, and IAS shrine.

I don't think it's possible unless there are legendaries I'm forgetting that give over 9% IAS or that give it on boots/shoulders:

Monk's Transgression = 8%
Big bad Voodoo = 20%
Slow time = 10%
Frenzy shrine = 25%

63% max IAS from non-gear
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9% IAS on source and all armor (except boots/shoulders) = 90%
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Fastest weapon = 1.8 APS dagger + 153% IAS = 4.554 APS maximum

Now imagine a Barb using WotB (25%), Frenzy (75%), and dual wield (15%). If my math is right, you get 6.6 attacks per second!

either my crit chance is too low, or i'm doing something wrong... but with my mempo, i never have enough arcane... i switched to the old storm crow @khan gave me to compensate for the apoc and now things seem more normal...

how do ww/cm wiz with 2.5aps have enough arcane? a lot of them only have chantodo which only provides 9apoc

@sabin I wonder if they tested using another class' abilities to buff up to 5.0 such as monk's mantra of retribution.

@euggie Storm Crow with CC and APOC is how its usually done.

@Khan Transgression is the name of the rune on that mantra, so that's already in my estimate. BBV from a WD, and stretch time from a WZ would be the only other ways to increase IAS. Barb or DH can't help with IAS of the WZ. I've also included the frenzy shrine so I think I have all bases covered.

@euggie Hmm. 4 wiz with 4 stretch times. I know two stack. Possibly 4?

Posted by Khan at 11/15/2012 04:16 PM

@euggie Hmm. 4 wiz with 4 stretch times. I know two stack. Possibly 4?

I had no idea, that changes things. I wonder if the BBV would also stack- then 3 WD's (20% each) and 1 WZ (10%) would be best. This would give 5.13 APS.

Otherwise, 1 BBV from the WD and 3 slow times from WZ would give 4.77 APS.

Posted by Khan at 11/15/2012 02:41 PM

@sabin I wonder if they tested using another class' abilities to buff up to 5.0 such as monk's mantra of retribution.

@euggie Storm Crow with CC and APOC is how its usually done.

so i was watching a stream off twitch and the wiz was running archon with a black weapon, and would manually swap it to chantodo when he needed to cm to get his archon back up... it was very interesting, but gets the job done i guess

so chantodo is good for ww/cm and black weapon is better for archon

@euggie I'm assuming he had a triumverate? Black weapon would give a huge DPS boost if that's what he was doing. I don't really enjoy gear swapping on the fly, but this could give you a huge boost in efficiency.

Posted by shniggies at 11/16/2012 01:33 PM

so chantodo is good for ww/cm and black weapon is better for archon

Yup. All top archons use the trium/black weapon for massive DPS. The trick is getting an inexpensive black weapon with Crit Damage/lifesteal/empty socket and over 1000 dps. Then finding a 666 trium with average damage over 250.

@sabin @khan so If i wanted to do a better job of perma frosting ubers, i should switch my black weapon for chant's wand for the higher aps, yes? i guess i gotta find my LS/Loh on something else than, cuz its 90% off my mainhand right now

Posted by shniggies at 11/16/2012 03:39 PM

@sabin @khan so If i wanted to do a better job of perma frosting ubers, i should switch my black weapon for chant's wand for the higher aps, yes? i guess i gotta find my LS/Loh on something else than, cuz its 90% off my mainhand right now

Yup. Chant's set for CM and Black Weapon/Trium for Archon.

But like @sabin mentioned, its a chore to switch out. I personally don't do it. I just archon farm and then change gears/games for higher MP magic farming.

Posted by shniggies at 11/16/2012 03:39 PM

@sabin @khan so If i wanted to do a better job of perma frosting ubers, i should switch my black weapon for chant's wand for the higher aps, yes? i guess i gotta find my LS/Loh on something else than, cuz its 90% off my mainhand right now

You could probably get a decent priced amulet with cc%, CD, and 500+ LoH and you won't be losing much compared to the current one. I'd prefer to swap IAS for the CD personally.

@Khan How would a black weapon/trium compare to a skorn? Is one better on a budget vs higher potential DPS?

Posted by Khan at 11/16/2012 04:19 PM

But like @sabin mentioned, its a chore to switch out. I personally don't do it. I just archon farm and then change gears/games for higher MP magic farming.

hmmm i probably won't go as far as switching mid game... but it would be nice to have different sets for different activities... now i just gotta get a chant's source.... gotta get that chedda

Posted by sabin at 11/16/2012 04:54 PM

You could probably get a decent priced amulet with cc%, CD, and 500+ LoH and you won't be losing much compared to the current one. I'd prefer to swap IAS for the CD personally.

thanks, i'll try to look for one... i always thought cc/cd were more important than ias, but now im finding cc/ias is more important... at least for ww/cm wiz

@euggie Yeah, it's tough to compare their usefulness exactly. Mainly because IAS will increase your DPS a bit more than is shown on the character sheet since it helps your APoC and CD reduction.

I almost always play co-op, so I've aimed my gear at keeping mobs frozen as often as possible, then tried to keep my eHP high (if I die or run away I have to stop freezing), then DPS is last. Then again, this is probably why I haven't passed 50k sheet dps yet.

@Sabin A black damage weapon with Triumvirate is much better than a Skorn because well, Skorn is really clunky for achoning. IF you can keep Archon up all the time I suppose it works, but since it's a two hander and slow, when you have down time you want to be able to cast fast to make the cool down of archon reset as fast as possible with CM. Another reason a black damage weapon and Triumvirate is better is, if I'm understanding correctly, the way that 6% to X damage works with those weapons is it pretty much added 5-6% damage onto the DPS of the weapon. Triumvirates can get up to 16%, and using a Tals amulet, Zuni boots, and other similar items, it adds up. If you were to use a Skorn instead, you'd be losing out on those boosts from Triumvirate.

As for IAS, crit chance, and crit damage, for CM wizards IAS and CC are the most important stats. You need crits to reset cooldowns, and you need IAS to make yourself cast faster and thus freeze things better. Crit damage is just a means to boost your DPS. For Archon, IAS isn't really needed but crit chance and crit damage are mostly the things needed. Don't really need IAS when you're laser beaming stuff the majority of the time haha.

Posted by sabin at 11/16/2012 04:54 PM

@Khan How would a black weapon/trium compare to a skorn? Is one better on a budget vs higher potential DPS?

A black weapon/trium will be better than a Skorn for the quicker casting while out of archon. However, getting the same DPS and lifesteal from a black/weapon/trium vs a Skorn is usually a bit more expensive. Skorn's usually have that bolshoi combo of INT/Lifesteal/Crit damage/open socket.

Yeah, that's what I expected. Skorn sounds like the better way to go if you can manage a high amount of form uptime.

off topic the only place i can consistently keep archon up is keeps 2... where else should i be going?

i tried buying an ammy last night with cc/ias and 900+ loh but didn't wake up early enough to bid battle at the very end -_-

@euggie Stonefort, Fields of Slaughter, and Rakkis Crossing are the easiest places for me to keep archon up at 100%
Everyplace else on A3 is usually at about 80-90%.